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good afternoon everybody my name is
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Renard and as Leon I am the director of
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the UCLA Center for Mexican Studies and
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it is my distinct pleasure to welcome
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all of you to our event this afternoon
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this is the last of the season and the
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last of a series of events focusing on
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the impact of the Kovach 19 pandemic on
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Mexico and I will introduce our speaker
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shortly
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cristina chica but for now I will begin
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with two acknowledgments that we read at
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the beginning of every event the first
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acknowledgment is an acknowledgement of
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the natives native peoples of this
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region of Southern California the Center
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for Mexican studies at UCLA acknowledges
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that we are really not owned by peoples
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as the traditional land caretakers of
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the Los Angeles basin in southern
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Channel Islands as a land-grant
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institution we pay our respects to the
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ancestors the elders our relatives and
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relations past present and emerging I
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will read now a read press release a
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statement of the International Institute
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supporting the movement for black lives
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and black lives matter the UCLA
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International Institute stands
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unequivocally against the egregious and
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disproportionate violence faced by
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blacks in America and the systemic
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disenfranchisement and oppression of
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marginalized communities across the
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world as the as the home of
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International Studies on the UCLA campus
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it is the Institute's mission to
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involvin people to connect through their
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shared humanity and think
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transnationally and across borders yet
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these past few weeks have humbled and
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reminded us of our duty to listen to our
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community so that we can learn how to be
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the ally that they deserve in the fight
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for justice including against anti black
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racism
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and now it is my distinct pleasure to
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introduce our speaker today christina
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chica christina is a doctoral candidate
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in sociology at UCLA she is a
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multi-method
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researcher who works in the areas of
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gender and sexuality critical geography
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and urban sociology today
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Christina will will be presenting
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preliminary results of her work in
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Mexico City in the strategies and
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adaptations of the LLG lgbtq+ community
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in Mexico City in the context of the
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copied 19 pandemic so Christina welcome
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thank you for making yourself available
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in this very complex times and the floor
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is yours thank you again thank you to
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Ben for the invitation all right hi
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everyone thank you so much for coming to
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lgbtq+ peoples reported social and
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health adapt ations to kovin 19 in
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mexico city before I get started I want
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to give a special thanks to my co
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researcher Araceli on photo I also want
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to check to thank all of them so
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Hernandez is Tiffany a Ksenia de Paris
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Fernanda Viegas Ignacio Lozano middle
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school fourth headed up and who Safina
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Flores Morales who were all key and
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helping to shape the survey and the
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process moving forward so why did we
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create this survey essentially it came
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from caring about two main research
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questions the first being how is the
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lgbtq+ population of Mexico City
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spatially and technologically adapting
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to kovat and then what we will be
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discussing more today is how is Kovach
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19 affecting the personal and social
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health outcomes especially mental health
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outcomes of lgbtq+ people in Mexico City
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so this is also part of how they're
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staying socially connected how this
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difference varies by demographic
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variables and most importantly for this
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particular presentation how that varies
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within the lgbtq+ acronym
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identity so the survey instrument was
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put together by consulting a variety of
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materials the inquest semester now so
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that is human se on which is a survey
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put out by a Mexican body that puts that
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other types of surveys another survey
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that was put out by a LGBT group in
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Mexico City called mrs. Ines de la
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población LBT IQA durante la conciencia
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for Cogan 19 and CD MX it was a needs
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assessment survey that complements
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actually pretty well what we were doing
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on a more academic level and then
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another online survey that was put out
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on koban 19 by scholars at and collected
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enough from that uh Northam you'll see
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on the right hand side we also consulted
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some best practices from the UCLA
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Williams Institute we looked at the
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Mexican census and then some other
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specific surveys so for example an
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hiv-related survey for the trans
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population that's the city there just to
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be clear these pictures on the right
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hand side aren't an endorsement or
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partnerships I just wanted to have a
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visual representation of some of the
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sources that we consulted so we put the
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survey together using Qualtrics it's an
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online one time self-reported volunteer
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survey it was distributed through a
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snowball sample via individual and LGBT
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plus organizational networks mostly
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through social media online email and
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people were allowed to share with
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whoever they wanted to share with and it
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was available all of mate from 2020 so
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we have a respondents who took it
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various times during one time at various
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points in May and it's 59 questions in
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total it's in Spanish which means that
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everything that you see here that's in
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question format a response format has
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been translated and we also had a
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variety of question types
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we had yes-or-no questions multiple
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choice fill ins there were some
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questions that appeared after you
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answered yes to something we had some
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self populating questions as well and
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all of these questions were designed for
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both quantitative and qualitative
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analysis as a whole but specifically for
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today's purposes we'll have dummy and
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recoated variables that lend themselves
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better to quantitative analysis
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our questions delve into a couple of
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different themes right we have
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demographics social networks facial
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behavior before and after coded LGBT
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plus specific connectivity before and
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after Co vid health strategies disaster
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response mental health and physical
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health before and after Kovach 19 all of
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this is self-reported data and then
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things that are involved here are
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essentially what we're going to be
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spending the most focus on today so a
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quick look at the sample overall we have
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three hundred and sixty seven unique
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participants with an 81% survey
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completion rate you'll notice that the
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count on some of our tables is higher
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than 367 and that was only in instances
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where the questions allowed you to pick
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more than one answer to which we were
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just looking more at the aggregate or
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answers great so before I delve in I
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just want to say that these are
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preliminary results again we're mostly
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going to be focusing on sample wide
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responses and there will be moments
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where we dive a little bit deeper into
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sexual orientation and gender then
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towards the end of the presentation
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we'll get a little bit more specific
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with some of the tests that we have
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begun to run and what we plan to do
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moving forward so you see this table
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here is a tab and of central orientation
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and sexual behavior we had a few
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different questions that we're getting
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at similar types of themes just to see
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how they would compare from our
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chi-square test you can see with the
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probability on the lower right hand side
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it's very much related right the
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relationship there is not independent
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which means that most people who
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identify as lesbian gay bisexual or
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somewhere in the plus category which
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includes things like queer pansexual all
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of those identities and then in terms of
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their sexual behavior it corresponding
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pretty pretty nicely right right if you
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take a look at our table on age you'll
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see that it's pretty normally
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distributed you'll notice that we have
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an over-representation of men in this
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sample and most of the respondents are
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in the middle age category
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great so speaking a little bit about
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education and occupation and disability
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on the left hand side you'll notice a
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word cloud with different work labels
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essentially we put together that from
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the different options that we had we
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allowed respondents to take different
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types of career paths or sectors right
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and so you'll notice that whichever
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words are the largest proportionally and
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that will be true of every word cloud
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are the ones that were the most likely
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to be picked so you'll see entrepreneur
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consultant private sector public sector
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activist etc this is just a sampling of
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the responses and also something that's
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really interesting is that a fourth of
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the sample self-reported having at least
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some postgraduate education which means
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that our sample is a quite an educated
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population especially considering
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Mexicans Mexico's educated population
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overall is proportionately much smaller
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right and before I get into disability
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another reason why that's important is
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to say this is an online distribute
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survey which means that of course if you
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didn't have access to a computer or
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reliable internet or a phone you weren't
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going to be able to take the survey
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which could also account in some extent
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for the over-representation of educated
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people
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so only seven-point 65 percent of the
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respondents for the question on
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disability reported having a disability
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here are some of the things that they
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mentioned visual disabilities right HIV
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what's really interesting about this
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fact is later on when we talk about
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at-risk conditions right you'll notice
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that the percentage of people who report
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having those is much much much higher
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and so another reason why a variety of
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question types helps us get add really
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what's going on health-wise with our
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respondents so a quick note on race we
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asked five questions that were
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specifically geared towards getting a
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sort of racial and ethnic composition of
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our participants the interesting note
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about this is that we followed Census
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and other Mexican survey specific norms
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of asking about whether or not you
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pertain to an indigenous population more
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salient now is this idea of
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afro-descendants right but usually those
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so ask questions about skin color and so
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we wanted to ask what do you consider
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your racial and ethnic identity with an
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open response someone as an experiment
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to see what Mexicans were gonna say
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since sort of racial and ethnic salience
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operates in a very different way we also
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asked do you consider yourself
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indigenous or part of one Drupal or
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tehina do right do you speak an
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indigenous language if so which
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indigenous language do you speak and
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then do you consider yourself black afro
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Mexican or of Afro descent there were
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very few people who did speak an
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indigenous language um Quechua was on
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there so was that cool and there was a
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language that's affiliated with the
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region of San Luis Potosi and so what's
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really interesting here is you'll notice
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that the biggest word is Latino and that
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got us thinking right because one of the
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things that we were wondering about is
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whether or not the prevalence of the
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term Latino was something that was
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selected because remember this was
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filling your own because the respondents
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knew that we were us researchers or
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perhaps it was a racial ethnic category
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and concept that has really migrated to
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this part of the world and is being
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adopted less surprising was the second
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most prevalent which was missile mostly
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because the Mexican nation-state right
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has this larger ideological project of
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thinking about all of its citizens as a
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combination of European and indigenous
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and so it wasn't surprising that that
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was something that was on there well
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then of course you have these other
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terms like mo Daniel even Modi no cloud
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all right that were more sort of in
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reference to skin color so I found that
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interesting all right so the respondents
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were allowed to take the survey if they
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were in CDM X but also in the Acela de
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Mexico
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the reason for that is because the
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boundaries are somewhat arbitrary and we
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wanted to take into account that there
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were folks who might have lived in Acela
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than Mexico but were operating fully in
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terms of their social lives in terms of
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their jobs within smooth out the Mexican
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I think a good comparison would be to
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think of Los Angeles how the actual
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boundaries of the city are a particular
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set but of course there are parts of LA
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that even if they're not under those
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boundaries we in our cultural and sort
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of more geographic imagination
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understand those to be Los Angeles
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not as surprisingly we had 19 percent of
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respondents say that they lived in the
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municipality of what demo which was
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inside Mexico City and then we had the
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second highest being in Benito Juarez
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right so what that make is the place
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that most LGBT nightlife actually occurs
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in it also has most of those resources
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Khayyam that is which is considered the
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gaze street of Mexico City is also
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located here in this municipality this
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one of Rosa and so it's interesting to
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see that it's also important to note I
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think that it's a space that's in going
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a lot of gentrification it's very
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international there's changes that are
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going on and if we have a more highly
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represented highly educated represented
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population it makes somewhat sense that
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we would have a lot of residents in
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these two municipalities where I would
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say what more middle and upper middle
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class people live and in terms of place
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of origin most were born in Mexico City
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we have 7.67 born in the assaut the
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mythical and then 27.9 five percent came
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from other Mexican states this is
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important to know mostly because when we
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think about queer migration right
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internal migration into big cities we
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can see that this probably is a trend
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that is applicable to Mexico City as
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well and then 3.29 percent were from
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abroad so we're going to dive into
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relationships a little bit sixty four
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point 84 percent of the respondents were
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single and when I say single I mean
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actually single not just single legally
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in terms of divorce or separation we
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allow for a lot of type of a lot of
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relational types to be represented of
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those who are in a relationship 9.0
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seven are in monogamous relationships
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26.1% are in non-monogamous
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relationships and we also wanted to get
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a little bit into our respondents social
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networks so we found that 19 percent of
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the respondents for this question ninety
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percent of them had almost all non LGBT
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friends there was eighteen point four
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that had almost exclusively LGBT friends
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but of course the majority of the sample
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63% had a mix of friends in their social
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networks
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interesting tidbit the lesbians in our
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sample were more likely to have only
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LGBT friends than the other sexual
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orientation categories cool so a fourth
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identified as being dependence you'll
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notice here that proportionally speaking
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you are less likely to have been a
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dependent if you were a sis man right
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probably for lots of reasons that have
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to do with economic positionings and
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whether or not they have access to
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certain kinds of resources right but
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then when we flip that over
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in terms of thinking about dependents
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and children right we noticed that only
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about 10% of the sample of respondents
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have children and 8% of those 10% have
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only about one or two kids
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however 30% have dependents right and so
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what that means is that well not very
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many people have children plenty of
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people do have someone perhaps a family
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member perhaps perhaps a partner who are
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financially or dependent on them in some
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sort of way and you see that when you
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look at the gay category and you look
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from kids to dependents right it it
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rises significantly afterwards so
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there's quite a few people who are
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identify as gay in this sample who are
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financially supporting others great so
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we're gonna talk a little bit about
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housing twelve point six point sixty
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seven percent of the sample stated they
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had changed their housing situation
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during the pandemic of those two-thirds
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moved to another place directly due to
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kovat related reasons so they were they
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were moving and shifting perhaps because
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they lost a job you had to move in with
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somebody else or their situation wasn't
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safe for them and from the time of the
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survey half of the participants spent
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between 26 and 50 days in quarantine was
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a mean of 38 days so keeping in mind
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that participants answered at some point
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in May so by that point they might have
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been in quarantine for a couple of weeks
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perhaps a couple of months and eighty
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four point two five percent of
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participants are living with other
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humans I say that because I'm also noted
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that they were living with their pets so
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who are they living with right you'll
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notice from the table that we have a
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combination of family significant other
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friends kids pets acquaintances the
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multiple category says that there at
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least living with two or more of the
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above categories
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so there's 36 point 26 percent that are
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exclusively living with family members
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but then the next highest are the
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multiple which means that they're living
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with a combination of significant others
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friends with their kids with their pets
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and then who are completely by
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themselves without any pets you see that
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that gets closer to 10% of the sample
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all right now we're gonna dive a little
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bit into health effects so we had
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multiple questions that dealt with
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feelings and sensations that respondents
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were feeling or going through during
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this time and we grouped them into
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negative and positive emotions you'll
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notice that eighty six point seven two
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percent we're feeling a combination of
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negative emotions right but there's also
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some people for whom the pandemic has
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actually been helpful right perhaps
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because they have more time at home
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there's a lot of reasons that that could
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be so you'll notice here from this word
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cloud that we have all of the different
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options and sensations some of which
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respondents were allowed to write in
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place together
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the most common feeling was just stress
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feeling stressed feeling Restless
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feeling insecure afraid but then like I
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said there are some participants who
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feel more relaxed it's a more stable and
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more calm but overall the pandemic and
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all of its consequences are creating a
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lot of negative health effects
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eventually speaking so to speaks
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directly to sleep outcomes ten percent
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of the respondents reported
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extraordinary dreams a third of them are
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sleeping more than usual but 57 percent
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are sleeping less than usual so what our
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key being what's keeping people up at
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night well it could be some of these
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issues that we have on this table right
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kovat 19 related concerns which talk
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about health concerns talk about
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interpersonal conflict losing work
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caching Kovan what's interesting here as
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well notice that the highest cumulative
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percentage in terms of selections was
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the economy in the state of the country
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right so really what's keeping people up
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at night is how mexico is going through
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this I mean I can say that the vessel
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depreciated already significantly and
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you know economic situations are really
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what people are concerned with then
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followed by loved ones catching Cove in
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nineteen among other types of concerns
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that you can see here
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all right
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so 56% of the respondents to this
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question self-reported at least one of
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the following conditions right so these
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conditions were picked in terms of their
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high risk potential for having
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complications or death if you were to
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catch kovat 19 so you see we have
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obesity HIV cardiovascular disease and
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issues and so I want to say that this
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56% is quite quite noticeable and
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significant just for the fact that these
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sorts of questions tend to receive under
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reporting and so the fact that that many
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people were able to say yes I have these
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sorts of conditions and they're you know
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concerning for me shows just how much
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this sample population has these health
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concerns right and like I said since we
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are representing mostly this and gay men
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fact that HIV is large on this word
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cloud is also not surprising
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but what's also interesting note is that
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although everyone for the most part has
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been quarantine for different amounts of
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time no one has actually stayed home
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right there are very few people who have
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actually stayed home everyone has had to
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leave for one reason or another mostly
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to buy food and errands as you see with
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the bold at forty five point seventy
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nine percent right and then you can you
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can see other reasons like visiting
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family recreation walking your dog going
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to school work and I just wanted to
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point out that even though our
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participants um mostly said that they
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were quarantine II you still have these
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instances of leaving and visiting
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members of other households right and so
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these sort of competing understandings
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of what constitutes being separated and
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not separated and leaving your home so
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now we're going to get a little bit into
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finding information related to go of it
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nineteen you'll see here these two way
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tables with chi-square computed and
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specifically looking at a tabulation of
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the frequency that one looks for
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information and COBIT related
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developments by lgbtq+ status of sexual
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orientation and then gender and sex
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so here looking at a gender identity but
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looking at sis man sis woman and all
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folks under the trans umbrella were
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aggregated together right so what you'll
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notice is that the p-values for both are
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less than point zero five and that's are
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statistically significant it doesn't
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tell us which grouping specifically this
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applies to but we can note that gender
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and sex sexual orientation when compared
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to the frequency of news are not
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independent of each other right there's
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a statistically significant relationship
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between them um I also just want to
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point out really quickly that while most
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people in both of these categories right
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we're checking the news daily gay
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respondents who identified as gay right
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or respondents who are assist men were
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more likely to check various times a day
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so they're actually cycling through the
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news more often
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where were they getting their kovat
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related developments and information
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from well there's a combination of
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sources that we have here in this table
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and you'll notice things like
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international sources academic
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scientific articles right looking at
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social media and actually the most
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popular place to go and get your
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information about kovat about public
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developments was social media right and
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then if you add that to the YouTube
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category it's even more right which
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means people are going on these websites
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perhaps looking at articles that friends
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have shared or experiences that they
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have shared online and that's where
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they're getting their information but
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second up which I find interesting is
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specifically communications from locust
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fm
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who is the Undersecretary of prevention
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and health promotion here in Mexico and
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has been really the face in a lot of
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outward news reporting about what's
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going on in terms of Mexico Mexico City
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developments Mexico more broadly in
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terms of covin okay so now we're going
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to get a little bit into kovin 19 cases
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within respondents social networks 39
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point 37 percent of respondents said
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that they knew someone who had taken a
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Kobe 19 test I think that this is a
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really big deal because it's actually
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quite difficult to get your hands on
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these tests unless you are severely
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demonstrating symptoms were already in
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the hospital for you know you do what I
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did and I muscled my way and made
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someone give me a Cova test but the
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other thing to note is that 28 point 66
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percent of respondents to this question
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said they knew someone who had been
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hospitalized in the last five months
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with Kovac 19 or quote atypical
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pneumonia the reason we decided to put
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that in the question is because there's
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a somewhat I think politically motivated
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reason to label certain cases as
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atypical pneumonia it's been on the news
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it's been in different kinds of
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discussions about how when marginalized
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populations or poor populations are sick
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and dying a disproportionate rates for
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what we call this atypical pneumonia
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it's a way of being able to label it
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without calling it koban and most of
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that has to do with the fact that those
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coded tests are not being made easily
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available they're not being taken
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sufficiently
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so it's difficult to know but it's also
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a sort of coded way of knowing that
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there's a great likelihood those cases
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could have been Kovac related and I just
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want to put it out there the official
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reports in Mexico marked the mortality
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at 12% right so what happened to these
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folks who were in the hospital or they
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knew people who had been hospitalized
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with kovat well as you can see here it
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wasn't that great right so out of the 88
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instances 42.0 5% died right which means
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by the time they got to the hospital the
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condition was so severe and there
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weren't perhaps enough resources that
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they died but then we also have 30 point
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68 percent of people whom are improving
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there's a good percentage of people who
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just didn't know what happened to the
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folks after they were admitted to the
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hospital but I think it's interesting to
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note that quite a few people in the
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sample right know someone who has been
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deeply affected by this and a lot of
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people who have passed away
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all right so getting into some health
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strategies we're gonna look at our
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question 34 from the survey what
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measures have you taken to avoid the
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spread of coded 19 so we had a
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combination of measures that respondents
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were able to pick those that applied the
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ones that stand out the most that most
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respondents are clicking on or
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participating with in some way is using
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a mask right we're covering their coughs
670
and sneezes and you can see these other
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protective measures like staying home
672
washing your hands measures that have
673
been promoted through the news through
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sort of health media sites and
675
professionals and scientists right so
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most people are trying to take these
677
measures and and those are the ones that
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are most common
679
and then question 20 by what method do
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you stay connected with your friends
681
during koban 19 we specifically asked
682
this for mental health reasons right to
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think about how it's important for your
684
health to be socially close even if
685
you're physically distant and we have
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the this you know this rise in video
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calls in virtual spaces right that's
688
mostly what people are doing they're
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using these technical technological
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solutions and medium from which to to
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connect with each other right and so
692
virtual spaces are a combination of
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social media workshops right I mean
694
right now we're on a zoom call and
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that's what people are connecting with
696
each other
697
some organizations here that I have been
698
following have also moved quite a few of
699
their activities to online and virtual
700
spaces so that's and that's important to
701
note and now we're gonna dive a little
702
bit deeper in terms of our statistical
703
analysis question 30 and 35 was asking
704
about participants mental and physical
705
health behavior before and after the
706
start of Kovach 19 whatever they
707
self-reported right and so here we have
708
a pairwise correlation of these
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different kinds of behaviors right these
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self-reported health habits before and
711
after the start of coded 19 so
712
essentially what's important to to note
713
here is that we're looking at behaviors
714
like exercise mindfulness eating healthy
715
therapy meds and we're looking at the
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relationships between practicing those
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and practicing other healthy habits as
718
well as the relationship between doing
719
it prior to the start of covered 19 and
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after the start of 19 right so this
721
table of correlations between various
722
health habits precoded and after the
723
start of kovat indicate the correlation
724
between two variables artistically
725
significant regarding their relationship
726
to one another and you'll notice that
727
the blue highlight is doing pre to pre
728
right the yellow is looking after
729
started college before coated and then
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the orange is looking at after behaviors
731
two other behaviors so
732
basically and to say this shows that
733
it's the difference level at 0.05 so
734
it's it's related here but digging a
735
little bit deeper a couple of the
736
behaviors so one of them being therapy
737
or medication by gender and sex right
738
here the reference group is sis men and
739
this is sorry um this is a linear
740
probability model right and essentially
741
what we're demonstrating here if you
742
look at the highlighted point right is
743
that in comparison to sis men only trans
744
folks showed a statistically significant
745
relationship with a negative correlation
746
of 25% regarding their engagement and
747
therapy pre and post open so that was
748
really the difference that they were
749
less likely to engage in meds and taking
750
medication or engaging in therapy and
751
just anecdotally to add some context to
752
that I'd have been part of different
753
conversations and and information
754
spreading where trans folks we're
755
talking about the difficulty of
756
receiving care and that type of
757
discrimination how they've not been able
758
to have as much access to specific
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gender affirmation medication and other
760
types of services and you know I wonder
761
out loud if that has anything to do with
762
that difference and then specifically
763
looking at exercise by gender sex with
764
the reference group being sis women
765
again we noticed that only trans folks
766
showed a statistically significant
767
relationship right with a negative
768
correlation of 30% regarding their
769
engagement and exercise compared to sis
770
women and so um this is just a an
771
example of how we're diving a little bit
772
deeper into the variables right and
773
different types of relationships and the
774
strategies that we're going to be using
775
moving forward to compare other types of
776
variables and other types of behaviors
777
by demographic identities right or by
778
sexual orientation
779
great so I'd be happy to answer any
780
questions that anyone has and I can you
781
know talk more about what I presented in
782
the presentation but I also have
783
questions for the audience if anyone
784
would like to give some suggestions for
785
how we can think about the relationship
786
between certain variables or how we can
787
move
788
with doing our comparisons whether it's
789
quantitatively or qualitatively I'm
790
happy to hear any type of suggestions
791
than anyone has or advice for moving
792
forward with analyzing our survey
793
results because these are preliminary
794
results and thank you very much
795
thank you thank you Christina thank you
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very much for your presentation very
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very interesting highlighting the impact
798
of copied 19 on this lgbtq+ community as
799
well as you know the larger impacts of
800
copy 19 I think in Mexico City in
801
particular because of the relationships
802
that folks have with the community in
803
general and in how you know they are
804
responding to these extraordinary public
805
health emergency so now we invite
806
actually our audience to use the Q&A
807
function for those who are connected via
808
zoom and as or post some questions to
809
Christina as she mentioned she is also
810
taking suggestions on you know potential
811
directions for the analysis of Abhi's of
812
this survey I mean these are as she as
813
she just said these are you know early
814
preliminary results there's much that
815
lies ahead in terms of of the analysis
816
of a survey that is you know
817
particularly rich in terms of the many
818
different things that you guys ask your
819
respondents and the kinds of comparisons
820
like you like you actually can make with
821
different with different populations as
822
well so if you have any questions you
823
can you can use the Q&A function let me
824
see that we have a Longhorn and this is
825
asking in Spanish okay Chris Cassidy ba
826
ma respuesta de hombres sis gay Allen
827
questa que otra gente Dallas
828
should I go ahead so I think it's a
829
combination of sampling right so in
830
terms of who distributed the survey
831
which networks it was able to get to I
832
think that I was connected to these
833
organizations and individuals whom
834
perhaps most of the people who are
835
interested or part of those networks
836
were men I also want to say that there
837
was a survey that was more of a needs
838
assessment but was released by an
839
organization called Musa right and the
840
reason I mentioned that is because there
841
were a couple of questions that tied in
842
really nicely and I actually am a
843
communication with them I'd love to you
844
know cite their work to talk even more
845
about the power of our survey and they
846
actually had over representation of
847
women right and so I think what that was
848
was a combination perhaps of the
849
network's in terms of the survey
850
circulating but also maybe perhaps
851
survey fatigue right I mean by the time
852
that ours was released some of these
853
networks overlap perhaps these women
854
were more interested in taking a survey
855
where they were specifically asked to
856
talk about the issues they're having
857
that was going to be addressed by a you
858
know civil society organization as
859
opposed to what we were doing which was
860
you know mostly purely for academic
861
reasons right so that could have been
862
part of it I think you think - Kristina
863
and Amy I don't know there any other
864
questions you nacio alone so Vera do
865
score along such question is very
866
relevant all surveys surveys cater to
867
LGBT tiq groups have another
868
presentation of CS gay men so it's kind
869
of like delving into the this particular
870
issue of overall representation of a
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particular group
872
at least in Mexico Ignacio says so yes
873
appear something that was faced by
874
different by folks doing these kinds of
875
inquiries these kinds of exercises right
876
I mean I do have another comment on that
877
which is essentially it's the same
878
reason why any type of researcher has
879
issues with hard-to-reach populations
880
right I mean essentially it's what is it
881
in it for them right most women most
882
trans folks they might not want to be
883
participating in certain types of hmm I
884
guess studies or certain types of
885
insights into their lives if there's not
886
a clear incentive there right I mean it
887
might be something that you know we
888
needed to work on in terms of like
889
resources right and I would have loved
890
to be able to just give every
891
participant a certain amount and like I
892
said perhaps more of that part of the
893
population would have been likely to
894
respond to other types of inquiries that
895
were going to directly benefit them in a
896
particular way then perhaps something
897
like this right so it's always
898
complicated but you know they were good
899
Alison Ramirez is asking how has
900
respondents socioeconomic status during
901
co-ed our hobby if I understand
902
correctly how was the respondent
903
socioeconomic status impacted or how did
904
it impact their methods of self-care
905
self-care you're in college yeah that's
906
a great question so we asked about
907
occupation we asked about education but
908
we didn't have a question that directly
909
told them to you know tell us how much
910
money they make and had part of that had
911
to do with just trying to make this
912
survey very specific to a Mexican
913
audience right and so that those kinds
914
of questions aren't asked as much in the
915
types of surveys that I was consulting
916
with that were given to Mexican
917
audiences which is one of the reason why
918
I thought that it would be an
919
interesting experience to ask this
920
population about race and ethnicity but
921
of course like I said it is a highly
922
educated population most of them live in
923
the most palliative what them again Bini
924
coladas of which a lot of the housing
925
stock here is more expensive I'm
926
in the municipality beneath the waters
927
so I assumed that some of them do have
928
means but it's also hard to say right I
929
mean I think it was really interesting
930
to see that trans folks were engaging in
931
less exercise right in comparison to the
932
reference groups were not engaging in
933
therapy or peeing as my vacation is the
934
other reference groups I'm sure if we
935
play with the variables more we'll see
936
some of those sorts of things and why
937
would that be
938
right well trans folks are the most
939
marginalised part of our larger
940
population right and so you know I mean
941
there was I would have loved to be able
942
to reach even more people I mean there
943
was a respondent who and said that they
944
were a sex worker and of course that has
945
been really difficult here for folks in
946
the city right in terms of the closures
947
of hotels and areas of work finding
948
housing and you know I think another
949
thing to keep in mind is this population
950
in some ways is probably not sort of as
951
affected by the economic situation but
952
they are most concerned with that right
953
and like I said a great you know almost
954
a third of them have dependents right
955
and so I mean I think that that's
956
something that we need to keep in mind
957
is you know even if you don't have
958
partners right officially because most
959
of the sample is single even if you
960
don't have children right they're still
961
part of these interconnected networks of
962
support and so you know they're there
963
there's obviously some movement
964
happening there but of course it's
965
difficult for me to say right because I
966
didn't straight-up
967
ask how much money do you make in a year
968
and that in itself I think in Mexico is
969
really complicated because the way that
970
income works the informal economy is so
971
strong even if you do have a formal
972
position a lot of people have side
973
hustles and jobs and maybe someone lives
974
in a parent's property that they own but
975
they don't have any income right and so
976
it's kind of difficult to measure
977
resources in that way Jacob Thomas is
978
asking since many survey participants or
979
it's actually more of a common and
980
suggestion since many survey
981
participants mentioned economic
982
precarity and unemployment as a source
983
of stress I think you may want to
984
interact it
985
both relational data on who they are
986
most physically proximal to or living
987
with one hypothesis is that a fall in
988
financial independence may be moderating
989
the relationship between familial
990
relations and emotional well-being
991
particularly for those that have had to
992
move in backward parents that are
993
heteronormative or utterly intolerant to
994
LGBTQIA lifestyles Thank You Jacob for
995
that suggestion
996
I guess I'll mention here that we
997
actually did ask respondents if the
998
people that they were living with in
999
their housing situations knew about
1000
their gender identity and sexual
1001
orientation
1002
right so most people were out then we
1003
asked what the reaction to that was if
1004
it was rejection indifference if it was
1005
acceptance and most of it was either
1006
acceptance or indifference and so there
1007
is definitely some respondents who are
1008
living in a housing situation that is
1009
not ideal and it's violent for them at
1010
least in terms of this particular sample
1011
it seems like most people are in housing
1012
situations with people who are I mean I
1013
guess mostly fine right not outright
1014
hostile thank you we have a comment from
1015
Rafael Solis in Chicago mine is a
1016
commentary not a question it was
1017
interesting to me how people work were
1018
identifying as Latino quote unquote
1019
right I have not lived in Mexico for 24
1020
years but it sounds to me strange as a
1021
new way of defining ourselves something
1022
I had noticed in the past few years is
1023
the popularity of the so called hook-up
1024
applications in Mexico in those the
1025
options to identify one's race are the
1026
ones available here in the USA they are
1027
not customized for other countries I've
1028
always found interesting that Mexican
1029
gay men chose to define themselves as
1030
Latinos in these apps most times it is
1031
optional to hide and identify your race
1032
I mean yes it is really interesting I
1033
mean that's why we put that question on
1034
there and I have to wonder whether or
1035
not it was because they knew that we
1036
were US researchers asking this question
1037
or if it has to do with terminology and
1038
language molding something that we
1039
didn't get into in this survey but I
1040
hope to talk more about in future work
1041
is how language has been shifting and
1042
evolving in the lgbtq+ community here in
1043
Mexico City in terms of using the X for
1044
gender neutral some people using the e
1045
and and really taking on words like
1046
non-binary and genderqueer which I would
1047
not expect right in this kind of context
1048
or other types of terms like here that
1049
really don't translate very well but
1050
some people are taking it up I think
1051
that has a lot to do with just
1052
transnational transnational networks you
1053
know education who you're connecting
1054
with and everything so I I agree that it
1055
was interesting it was strange for me
1056
and you know would have been great to
1057
disentangle that a little bit more but
1058
in general I'm seeing interesting
1059
movements and shifts with language more
1060
broadly with sexually diverse and gender
1061
diverse populations in may Thank You
1062
Oscar Contreras is as is commenting and
1063
asking some sources point out that
1064
domestic violence has raised in
1065
households in Mexico during these Kovach
1066
times do you find similar situations in
1067
your study so we didn't ask a question
1068
that specifically asked about domestic
1069
violence I mean we had instances where
1070
you know we could talk about whether or
1071
not they felt safe so towards the end of
1072
the survey we asked them where if you
1073
were taking the survey in a safe
1074
location and private in public or among
1075
people that you had trust with we also
1076
had an open-ended question where people
1077
could leave commentary which was gonna
1078
be fascinating for the qualitative
1079
analysis because we have a lot of
1080
commentary about the political social
1081
inequalities and you know how disasters
1082
just make that more clear and I think
1083
I'm gonna have a lot of fun sort of
1084
working with that but nowhere and in the
1085
places where someone could have made a
1086
comment about it did I see that I think
1087
there was like maybe one person who
1088
mentioned something about violence maybe
1089
there was too
1090
but it wasn't very prevalent again
1091
however I should say I mean the over.we
1092
oversample right men in this in the
1093
situation right and so you know there
1094
are other surveys for example I know the
1095
that unum put something out specifically
1096
for women and I know that in that
1097
question there was maybe something
1098
asking about sexual orientation and of
1099
course when they come out with those
1100
results which I hope to also be able to
1101
I guess consult when as moving as I'm
1102
moving forward with writing and
1103
everything that they'll probably have
1104
like a better look at that right and and
1105
and hopefully if they're asking about
1106
bisexuality or asking if respondents
1107
identify as lesbian hopefully we'll be
1108
able to get more sort of information
1109
from from that effort excellent and the
1110
rare Rocha is in San Diego is asking
1111
what was the incentive for people taking
1112
the survey and how will results be
1113
returned to participants of the survey
1114
right so in the consent page right so
1115
the first thing that came before you
1116
entered it we said that this was all in
1117
Terry it was gonna be for research
1118
purposes we also did say that for every
1119
survey that was completed right CNS or
1120
sample completed we were going to commit
1121
my partner and I to donating a dollar
1122
which we did actually we ended up
1123
donating three hundred dollars
1124
particularly to Casa de las Nieves which
1125
was a trans-pacific organization here in
1126
CDM X that is housing trans women most
1127
of whom are sex workers and also going
1128
out into the streets and feeding them so
1129
you know I mean there wasn't a direct
1130
benefit but there was a social incentive
1131
and there are a couple people who are on
1132
this call who are related to these sorts
1133
of organizations I hope to present these
1134
results actually in Spanish right to
1135
different in within different groups in
1136
Mexico City who would benefit from
1137
knowing about it right and I'm open and
1138
in communication with other folks who
1139
are trying to think about these results
1140
in a more sort of policy oriented way
1141
for example I know that Musa has been in
1142
communication
1143
with a government body here in Mexico
1144
City to see if we can actually expand
1145
this survey on a national scale I have
1146
no idea if it'll happen that would be
1147
super cool if it did so that then we can
1148
address needs more I mean we can address
1149
needs better in that kind of way right
1150
but um so of course I'm looking for ways
1151
to put this out there to be in
1152
communication with folks like I said we
1153
did put our money where our mouth was
1154
and I hope that I can be part of other
1155
efforts local efforts to expand these
1156
survey efforts and to really capture
1157
what's going on for the the larger
1158
sexually diverse and gender diverse
1159
community thank you thank you Christina
1160
I don't see any more questions in our
1161
Q&A feed right now but I continue to
1162
encourage our audience to post questions
1163
or comments to to Christina there's
1164
maybe another one hold on one second yes
1165
Jacob Thomas again is asking or
1166
commenting I think you could also take
1167
more qualitative data about how diet
1168
exercise in health and self-care
1169
has dropped all for trans participants
1170
after Cobain since you you would expect
1171
a priority the correlations between the
1172
pre and post para burials to be closer
1173
near to one I also wonder if you would
1174
be able to did use what is different
1175
about LGBTQIA experience with Kovac
1176
compared to Mexicans by appending your
1177
data to reliable general surveys of
1178
general Mexicans responses to how they
1179
adapted to covered yes so this goes to
1180
the whole issue of comparing of course
1181
you know responses of this population to
1182
other populations in in Mexico of course
1183
all right Thank You Jacob that really
1184
just depends on what I have access to
1185
like I said my eyes are open in terms of
1186
the coded survey that was put out by the
1187
cola he let us know that uh North Bay
1188
right that was more general I mean the
1189
institution in Mexico City
1190
Unum who put a women's specific one
1191
national survey and so really I'm gonna
1192
be keeping my eyes open I also have
1193
results from the survey that mousses
1194
played out right the needs assessment
1195
and they had a similar sample size to
1196
ours right and so I think it pairs
1197
nicely in terms of ours was more
1198
representative of men there's a more
1199
representative of women and so yeah
1200
moving forward I'll keep my eyes open to
1201
see how I can compare this moving
1202
forward but it also just really depends
1203
on how much information right these
1204
these bodies these research bodies want
1205
to share with me right I can have access
1206
to a paper or record what are they gonna
1207
give me you know raw data it really just
1208
depends thank you thank you Christina
1209
so I I actually let me use my my
1210
prerogative as a moderator also to ask a
1211
question what are you and this is
1212
related to the survey but not not
1213
directly what are you hearing in terms
1214
of you know how people's behaviors or in
1215
situations in general are changing as as
1216
Mexico in Mexico City begin to reopen or
1217
have started to reopen you know some you
1218
know people are going back to work there
1219
is you know reopening or discussion at
1220
least about reopening of of certain
1221
spaces for leisure for sociability but
1222
at the same time you know a contagion as
1223
well as death rates continue to be very
1224
high we know that Mexico City is
1225
essentially the epicenter of the copy 19
1226
pandemic in Mexico so what do you hear
1227
in relations to how things how people
1228
are sort of navigating this this trans
1229
transition or semi transition to to to
1230
to some
1231
aspect or normality or Nueva normally
1232
dad as they call it in Mexico see
1233
actually I have been I would say a part
1234
of different conversations right within
1235
the community within different
1236
organizations that are specifically
1237
talking about the new normal right and
1238
it really just depends on what what
1239
you're asking about so I'll give a
1240
couple of reflections on a couple of
1241
things that are I think sexual
1242
orientation and gender identity specific
1243
so you know pride from Mexico this year
1244
right the parade the events were done
1245
virtually and apparently it was like the
1246
largest virtual pride events that were
1247
done where that weekend but there were
1248
still some folks who went out protests
1249
on the street
1250
specifically because they were concerned
1251
about violence issues they were
1252
concerned about discrimination health
1253
access right you know none of these
1254
things sleep just because we're at home
1255
right and and Mexico has been having
1256
quite a few issues with domestic
1257
violence and other sorts of things and
1258
so but they're only around 200 people
1259
who went out to the streets to do that
1260
and so what that tells me is that a lot
1261
of folks are still staying in because
1262
actually Mexico City began opening
1263
little by little first of all they never
1264
really fully closed I can tell you that
1265
but then they really started opening
1266
more toward the beginning of you and
1267
then by the end of June you still didn't
1268
have enough bhai in from the community
1269
right to actually be put their bodies on
1270
the streets right in one of the largest
1271
prize right in the world right and so
1272
that's happening um there have been
1273
different conversations about intimacy
1274
also specifically are you gonna have sex
1275
during this and some folks are saying
1276
well you're not I mean you're you're
1277
gonna do it with the person who's at
1278
your house but you can't go out and
1279
cruise anymore other folks are gonna say
1280
that's not realistic that's not going to
1281
happen what are we going to do
1282
I know specifically that there are folks
1283
in the community who are just not going
1284
to leave they're just not leaving
1285
they're there you know posting
1286
commentary or memes about how folks are
1287
finally ready to party or do this and
1288
they're just like nope goodbye I'm here
1289
I'm staying in here and of course this
1290
would have something to do especially
1291
with this particular sample of high
1292
prevalence of
1293
conditions right I mean they're they're
1294
not going to I mean you know Mexico City
1295
medical personnel has also been
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protesting I've witnessed a couple of
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those because they don't have the right
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type of gear to actually be handling
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people I should note that a majority of
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my sample noted that where they usually
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get medical care is actually from the
1302
pharmacies right and the private consult
1303
raised there and so you know what are
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they gonna go do at a hospital I mean if
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there's just so many things to keep in
1306
mind in here and also as far as I know
1307
the bars the social spaces are gonna be
1308
the last things to open I mean maybe it
1309
won't happen that way but as far as I
1310
know those spaces won't be opening until
1311
much later but I also think that it's
1312
hard to predict because you know the
1313
Mexican government especially with
1314
Mexico City is has been very I don't
1315
know somewhat nonchalant about certain
1316
kinds of measures and sometimes they'll
1317
do something and then they'll take a few
1318
steps backs and they'll say just kidding
1319
so it's really hard for me to predict
1320
what's gonna happen I think that what
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I've been hearing from a lot of
1322
conversation is that these virtual
1323
spaces will continue right and a lot of
1324
these organizations are going to
1325
continue to adapt to do virtual outreach
1326
to do virtual workshops you know I I
1327
know different organizations that are
1328
very presents based right that have
1329
decided to move all of their you know
1330
thigh yet is their workshops and their
1331
their conversations to an online format
1332
but it seems like there's gonna be a lot
1333
of hybrid hybrid spaces right but yeah I
1334
mean I don't I don't know it's gonna
1335
it's gonna be rough I'll see what I
1336
returned to for my in-person
1337
observations and where I can make them
1338
of course
1339
well we're we don't have any more
1340
questions in our Q & A field here so and
1341
we're closed to action to the end of our
1342
a lot of time so I want to take this
1343
opportunity to thank you Christina for
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for participating in
1345
our speaker series and in wish you the
1346
best of luck I mean with with the
1347
project and in in to extend the
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invitation an open invitation for you to
1349
come back to the events of the center to
1350
present more of the results of this very
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interesting survey I want to thank Brian
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Pitz was the assistant director of the
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UCLA Latin American Latin American
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Institute who has been cross played a
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key role in organizing a lot of our
1356
virtual events since the onset of
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pandemic and we are going to be posting
1358
some of these events for now but we'll
1359
come back soon stay tuned and I wish
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everybody a happy summer and above all
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for all of you to stay safe and healthy
1362
thank you everybody